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I've noticed a lot of gross misconducts listed for playing without helmet. Most, if not all of them are for not wearing a chinstrap during warmups. That rule is really bizarre.

Ancaster's goalie was ejected before the start of the second period tonight on the same call. Why is the league enforcing such a bizarre rule? What is up with this all of a sudden?
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how about a 10 minute misconduct for not remaining completly still during the national anthem. all hockey players move a little bit i agree the reffing in this league is terrible
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brad36, I think this comes from those who started putting on their helmets and skating around before the anthem was even finished. To many of us, this is a long time coming and would like to see that same respect applied to other levels, leagues and sports.
IIRC, it started off that it was a two minute minor and your team started off with a penalty kill.
Perhaps a 10 minute misconduct seems like too much but what other category would you use to make your point, if you are the league. Institute a two or five minute "timeout" in the penalty box but not having your team start the game on the penalty kill?
I understand the reasoning behind the penalty, and I support it. It doesn't hurt the boys to stand still for a mere couple minutes and show some respect considering how many people have put their lives on the line (and given up their lives), so that these young man can play the game they love.

For the most part, I haven't seen any ref give out a 10 minute misconduct for a bit of swaying. It's about reaching down for your helmet and popping it on your head or starting to skate around before O Canada is done. Most of the culprits I've seen who have been called for such are young men who haven't played in our conference. Welcome to the WEST!
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i think it is absolute crap the player that got the penalty didnt move any sooner than any other player on the ice and not once has this penalty ever been called in the building before. the officiating in this league is atrocious at best i am really surprised that they dont need police escorts some nights.
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both back up goalies between the flyers and nationals got gross misconducts for coming on the ice when the game was done with there helmets done up properly. Kind of dumb I think, Reffing in C and B is just awful.
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flyers2011 wrote:both back up goalies between the flyers and nationals got gross misconducts for coming on the ice when the game was done with there helmets done up properly. Kind of dumb I think, Reffing in C and B is just awful.
WOW, that's seems like a strange call. Did it take place when all the players were taking to the ice when time had expired?

Do you know what was the exact call for those misconducts? I'm just curious.

There does seem to be little/zero tolerance if you ask why you're being sent to the penalty box. Ask a question once, you may get a 10 minute misconduct for questioning an official about their call (for which you have to choose abuse of an official on PS). Ask for clarification, it's a GM21 and your team is fined and you're gone for two games. OUCH!
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flyers2011 wrote:both back up goalies between the flyers and nationals got gross misconducts for coming on the ice when the game was done with there helmets done up properly. Kind of dumb I think, Reffing in C and B is just awful.
WOW, that's seems like a strange call. Did it take place when all the players were taking to the ice when time had expired?

Do you know what was the exact call for those misconducts? I'm just curious.

There does seem to be little/zero tolerance if you ask why you're being sent to the penalty box. Ask a question once, you may get a 10 minute misconduct for questioning an official about their call (for which you have to choose abuse of an official on PS). Ask for clarification, it's a GM21 and your team is fined and you're gone for two games. OUCH!
Just shows how messed this league is getting. How is asking an official a question abuse? It isn't. The refs just don't want to be held accountable for what they call.
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There was a email sent around to all Jr teams October 16th the ruling is a GRM62

http://oha.pointstreaksites.com/files/u ... 5_2013.pdf
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Port hockey1 wrote:
Blades wrote:
flyers2011 wrote:both back up goalies between the flyers and nationals got gross misconducts for coming on the ice when the game was done with there helmets done up properly. Kind of dumb I think, Reffing in C and B is just awful.
WOW, that's seems like a strange call. Did it take place when all the players were taking to the ice when time had expired?

Do you know what was the exact call for those misconducts? I'm just curious.

There does seem to be little/zero tolerance if you ask why you're being sent to the penalty box. Ask a question once, you may get a 10 minute misconduct for questioning an official about their call (for which you have to choose abuse of an official on PS). Ask for clarification, it's a GM21 and your team is fined and you're gone for two games. OUCH!
Just shows how messed this league is getting. How is asking an official a question abuse? It isn't. The refs just don't want to be held accountable for what they call.
I have been watching the local jr b hockey for almost 20 years now and have to disagree with most of you, the officiating is better than most places and has been consistent. Sure we have some weak officials and I am not going to name them but for the most part the officiating is fine, even the weak officials are usually bad for both teams. The rules that are being executed now are by direction of either the OHA or League. Chinstraps being done up properly is only a safety measure. What other way can you insist on making all players do up their chinstraps properly? Where do you draw the line when it comes to asking the referee for a clarification of every call he makes. Some coaches use it as a tactic to slow the game down and it is effective. I for one don't come to a game to watch a coach stand and call the referees over for every call he makes or send out one of his captains to question obvious calls. They are warned on the ice when they will talk to the teams for clarification.
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Last night was unreal though. I believe the Ancaster goalie took his helmet off before the 2nd period started. A lot of goalies do that. He got a gross misconduct(playing without helmet).

How is that a safety issue? I mean, i'm all for safety but isn't that going too far?
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Port hockey1 wrote:Last night was unreal though. I believe the Ancaster goalie took his helmet off before the 2nd period started. A lot of goalies do that. He got a gross misconduct(playing without helmet).

How is that a safety issue? I mean, i'm all for safety but isn't that going too far?
All rules are put in place for a reason. If you think there are stupid people running the OHA or GOJHL then maybe its time that other people step up and see if they can do a better job. The referees are mandated by either Hockey Canada, OHF, OHA, or the GOJHL. The teams are given plenty of warning about any crackdowns on rules. Better to make these calls at beginning of season and hopefully players and teams will not make the same mistakes after Christmas.
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Last night the LaSalle and Strathroy goalies both asked the refs for permission prior to taking off their masks for adjustments.
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Marcie wrote:Last night the LaSalle and Strathroy goalies both asked the refs for permission prior to taking off their masks for adjustments.

I guess there is your answer, the players can learn the rules, no matter how trivial people may think they are.

It is called "RISK MANAGEMENT" something that has become a big concern for volunteers in amateur sports. In a day of lawyers and people suing for just about anything, you want to make sure that your a__ is covered, and I guess a goalie taking off his mask on the ice could lead to any type of freak accident. If the rules state he is not to take off his mask then there is an avenue for a lawyer to challenge in court and who do you think will be responsible and top of the list on the lawsuit?
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http://localsportsreport.com/gojhl/2014 ... the-rules/

My take on the new enforcement of the rules and why they're being enforced.
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Great column Rocket Girl. And bravo to GOJHL_Fan for the thoughtful posts as well.

What we are seeing is probably just a learning curve for the stricter enforcement of rules that have been around a while. It will take some time for everyone (fans and teams) to get used to the rules and some will be burned by it before they learn (others will take note of the results of the stricter enforcement and act before they get burned) but there are real, valid reasons why the stricter enforcement has to be done.

I don't think that a great number of fans will leave a game because they didn't like a call by an official about chinstraps called against their team. There maybe a few malcontents that will react that way at first but that won't last long or spread, IMO.

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Thanks Ah-chie. I appreciate the support.

I just tried to write the article based on what I've read and my understanding of what's happening and then explain it the best I can to people.
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Excellent commentary R.G. I imagine a lot of thought and research went into it. Nice to see that any questions I had on the calls were explained in detail.

Hopefully everyone will adjust quickly and the refs can go back to calling the games as they play out. I have noticed a lot of "non-calls" especially along the boards where holding and interference or obstruction seem to just go by the wayside; certainly two arms wrapped around a player at the boards who is trying to get to the puck warrants a call and I don't mean hugging or dancing.
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